This is Hacker Public Radio Episode 3,871 from Monday 5 June 2023.
Today's show is entitled, HPR Community News from May 2023.
It is part of the series HPR Community News.
It is hosted by HPR volunteers and is about 94 minutes long.
It carries an explicit flag.
The summary is, HPR volunteers Rindave Retro and can't talk about shows released and
comments posted in May 2023.
Hi everybody, my name is Ken Falun and you're listening to another episode of Hacker Public
Radio.
Today is HPR Community News from May 2023, heart-to-believe it's May already guys.
Joining me tonight in alphabetical order is starting from the top is Dave.
Dave Morris, close my name again to the D and yes hello everybody.
Then we have all the way from a Mary Kay with that be Rind from Baltimore that if
you're Mary Kay wouldn't that is America and then we have Retro hi this is Rito from
Switzerland.
Yeah, my last time was more than a year ago on a new year's show when I went to join
again.
Excellent.
Excellent.
This is HPR which is Hacker Public Radio, a podcast where the shows are contributed
by a random weirdos on the internet that's a t-shirt right there and we have been doing
this for quite a while.
Now and we need to, well it's a cool idea so if you're interested in keeping a goal
submit a show once your year is all we're asking for people and this show is around
up a podspin going on in the community over the last month and what a busy month it's been
Dave as and we have a new host.
This is where Dave introduced the new host, Caddy's breaking from the script, go out.
It's all right, it's all right.
Yes we have a new host whose name I didn't double check with the pronunciation but I'm
going to go for Rionokey, sort of a Japanese style name so yeah welcome on board.
Always, always nice to hear to have new host joining.
It is excellent but I'd also like to see some of the older hosts come back that would
be also excellent news.
Anyway this show what we normally do is we go through all the shows for the previous
month that way for people who only subscribe to this feed, know what is unauthor and can
select a like heart and then we basically through the mailing list and anything else that's
been happening around the juncture, just a little bit.
First show last month was episode 3,846, which we are a community news for April 2023.
And the one you were on.
This was your show, wasn't it?
I did.
Yes, yes, it's a ruin and I did that one, thanks Rionokey, I hope you got that was screaming
down the microphone that you guys know, that's not fine.
Now I can't remember what it was to cover my soul work up.
You should have recorded the show again.
I should have to go back and listen to it.
Let me see if I can read from the transcripts, but I didn't say anything controversial
as nobody was commenting.
Let's go on to the next, which is all of some of the tell me what that is, synchotron.
Yep, this is a show about shows coming up by extension Roy, and I'm looking forward
to that series again, no comments on that.
And editing Thunderbird email filters using them now, this was something that I didn't
know you could do in the first place and be, I didn't know you could do with them.
There was one comment, did you want to read that?
Yes, so it's from the end.
Yeah, the host himself, some guy on the internet lives, dreamed the process, he says.
I've also streamed a Thunderbird client config and the VIM filter editing on YouTube,
CC by SA, the VIM editing starts around 1 hour, 11, and it's 35 in the video.
Wow, he's put some time into that one, I haven't looked, I didn't know you could do this
because I do it, and I wrote a project that manages them as well, so you don't accidentally
go and splat your changes onto the live thing, although Scottie was very cautious about
how he did it as well, so good stuff.
I was quite surprised that email is still such a big thing for somebody at home.
Yes, yes, it's the last bastion, unfortunately, it seems to be almost impossible
to run your own server now, but that's actually what I'm just about to roll and let's take
it off first.
I can't see there's any, there are features of email that are not duplicated elsewhere.
The fact that it remains for as long as you want it to remain, it doesn't vanish or disappear
in some giant list that you can't find as with other instances, other vaguely comparable
things.
You can also receive an email and take action on it relatively easily.
I certainly do in Thunderbird, I get it, runs scripts for me, if I get messages and stuff
of certain types, and you can order it and format it and do all the manner of good things.
I can't see that it's ever going to totally go away.
I hope not.
The following day, we had troubleshooting, don't overlook the obvious from Brian and Ohio,
now that this one was dripping with hard, hard sauce experience.
What'd you think?
Trying to remember what it was.
Oh, yeah, he was, wow, he was just a very good one.
Is this the one where he bought parts during the investigation, what is wrong?
Yep, that's all.
Yeah, I thought he did a magnificent job and his explanation was really, really good.
And also, how to make sure that you don't file under these circumstances, if you've looked
to everything and not found the answer, really good.
There are some comments, are you on a roller or a retro?
Do you want to read Kevin O'Royan's comment there?
I can read Kevin O'Brien's.
So first comment, from Kevin O'Brien, good advice.
Thanks for some good advice.
I have several misbehaving computers I need to fix, and your reminder is thus very timely.
And Jill says, troubleshooting is a part.
I do agree with your last statement that haste makes waste, which leads to jumping to conclusions
and not getting the results you expected leading to frustration.
You usually have to follow your goals as they say.
First impressions, previous experience related to the given topic and the right state of mind
can lead you to the correct answer quickly.
There are particular steps you mentioned, you have to walk through in your mind
and testing your assumptions to see if you're on the right track.
The old adage, the failure is the best teacher to learn from and improve your skills
whatever they may be.
Great episode, get people to implement critical thinking skills and enjoy the experience.
Good show.
So the next one was a continuation of a Hukas travel series.
This is something I personally requested him to do.
I like the show where he and his good wife are going around America.
And we are proxying along with him.
There are loads of pictures in the show notes as well.
And Rachael, do you want to have a goal of these little comments?
Or would you prefer to lead the truth?
I can drive, it plays with me.
So the first common is by Staché, AF, space museum.
I'm surprised you didn't stop by the space history museum and tour
of the Gene Roddenberry exhibit.
It's strange hearing someone talking about things to do nearby and thinking
what's the idea of when they were?
Oh, cool.
My turn.
Yep Kevin O'Brien says the next comment didn't know about it.
I never heard of any space museum.
Where is it?
And I get to the 22, 22, 22, 23 trip.
You'll find that I hit a number of space-related sites.
So yeah, I'll be cool to that one.
This lots to come.
That's an idea.
Cool.
Firefox extensions.
And I walked through some of the
Firefox extensions I have.
And also, give a rundown of why I used them.
There's one comment.
Ron, can you read that?
Sure.
So we have a comment first comment by Joe.
Plugins I've never heard of.
Great episode.
All of the mentioned extensions I have.
Not heard of and look forward to testing them out.
Appreciate you sharing some of the extensions you're using in a or have found.
So the next day is UDM UBICODY setup for 2023
operator.
UBICODY setup on his system and provides us with a script which
obviously has no, you should review before you download all missing
sites.
Are the UBICODY routers seem to be quite common in the states?
I have never seen one in real life.
Yeah, we end.
Go on.
So we have to say we actually have a couple of work.
There's sort of gateway device and then like a managed switch and even like one of their
the wire Wi-Fi access points.
And they're nice, the work nice.
And part of what I liked about them was they had like the local
country, you know, their web interface controller that lets you, you know,
you don't have to use it out in the cloud.
You can have a local instance running.
But the downside to that is it can be a little finicky to get running.
And once you've sort of paired the device with a particular controller,
it's kind of a pain if you need to move that controller or like you have a long
non-forward a while and you can't remember which computer it's
running on.
It can be a bit tricky to, you know, you almost have to like make it
refactory reset something to get it to go on to another controller.
I mean, there's ways not to do that.
But yeah, that's the only downside to them I've, I've found.
But they're, they're okay, it's okay stuff.
So the following day, we had creating a prompt for
just GPT degenerate HBR's show is a rushed episode.
People, even if you're submitting a show never say it's rushed episode.
Where Mr. X creates a tap GPT prompt degenerate HBR episode.
And I found this personally, more work, more work it went into this.
That's what I've got into just doing the show.
What, what do you guys think?
Yeah, it's a great idea.
I really liked the idea of doing this and it did seem like quite a lot of work
to go backwards and forwards with chat GPT to get it to produce the correct instructions for
itself to produce the show, which seems very, very torturous with to, yeah, I like the idea.
Yeah, I'm still just coming to terms with learning, I mean, it's probably something I should
like learn to play with because it does seem to be, you know, it's gaining momentum.
I don't think it's going to go away, but I still have been this like,
oh, I don't know if I want to deal with, yep, I'm the same right now.
The same. In fact, I met up with Mr. X a couple of weeks ago now and we talked about this a little
bit and it turned out that he's been using it a lot and I've used it once.
So yeah, I don't know what it is that attracts certain people to it and repels people like
me perhaps. That's a way of it. Well, people who seem to get an excited about it are the same
people who get excited about Bitcoin, which is always a red flag in my book. I personally as a set
people who can, is going to be a huge big thing and people are excited about your marketing,
et cetera. Yeah, and I can see use cases for it, but at the end of the day,
whatever this thing produces and if you're putting your name behind it, it's not,
it that's going to be held responsible. It's you that's going to be held responsible. So, yeah,
yeah, I mean, spell checking fine. If that's your thing, all to correct fine,
if you want to produce a virtual chat GPT fine, the end of the day, professionally,
you're putting your name behind that and that has not worked out very well so far for a lot of people.
But we'll see what happens to be interesting for people in 20 years going back to listening to
the show and going, oh, that was before the chat GPT became sentient and took over the world.
Yeah, strengthening there was no comments about that, which is interesting.
And the next day, we had episode seven hard to believe of the new years show for 2022, 2022,
with as ever excellent shunnels by some guy in the internet on HP Lovecraft brilliant work.
Okay, and it was nice. I mean, I, you know, just, I sort of spread through, I usually speed through these.
I just, they're, they're not always my cup of tea, but it is nice, like they've been mentioned,
like hearing, there were groups, you know, times when groups of people that sound like,
they haven't been able to like get together or the shows that sort of brought them together,
have moved on or they moved on, but they're getting to sort of have like a little mini reunion.
Yeah, exactly. It was kind of weird, but there was a lot of people on the way,
happened to the air cords spoken to in a while. And I happen, I'm, I'm a self-awesome on the,
uh, episode that much. Um, so, uh, I missed out and to talk with a lot of people, so make
more of an effort. There you go. I'm, I missed out completely, um, last year, or this year,
whatever you call it. Um, yeah, so it's quite nice to, to hear. Um, just as an aside,
can you break it up a bit? Yeah, as far as I, yeah, I'm hearing things. You're getting the same run.
Yeah, there's been a couple times where you've broken up a little bit for a second or two.
Mm, strange. Yeah. Don't know what that is. Okay. Just in case you could stop it.
Yeah, I meant if, yeah, uh, yes. Well, just tell me if you know, since when the police
wrote, okay, the following day we had SSH or open SSH escape sequences by Claudia Miranda.
Wow, this was an excellent episode. I have never thought that you could do this
within an ongoing session. Unbelievable. I had never heard of them. Let me perfectly honest.
And then I finally this morning I was like, I don't know, let me see. And I was like, oh, wow,
it does just pop up a little menu. And there they are. Just as you described.
Yeah, I had to go and check it as well. Um, back in the day when we used Telnet, then you would, uh,
there was escape sequences you could use to tell the Telnet client various things like
clear the line or hang up or something. But, uh, yeah, I didn't know there was anything like that
in SSH. It's actually quite quite potentially useful, I think. Uh, Retro, do you want to read the
comment by Claudia himself? Yeah, sure. I hope I'm not breaking up this time. Um, Claudia
I'm says, man SSH, the man will to add these sequences are also available in the man page for
the SSH comment. Search for the title, escape characters in the man page. The man page, if you
like to read it, um, well, I only if you understand it very well, it depends on the man page. I think
quite a bit. There was a lot of both on the social internet about about this episode,
particularly the BST people, a lot of people were commenting that they didn't realize that this
was possible and life changing, et cetera, et cetera. Oh, cool. That mastered on you. We're looking
out. That will be the master done. Yes. I didn't notice myself. There you go. Very good. It was
really interesting because I mean, I would just quit the sessions usually or close it somehow and
just go through it and I had no idea about this comments. Really valuable information.
Exactly. Following day, we had plateau painting toy soldiers, uh,
to start a painting miniature figures for war games, because hashtag is plateau. And, um, there was
a comment by equal sign, but soldiers pointing to a YouTube. And really guys, we want me to think
that that's some. This is exactly how you make a spam comment. But what it turns out to be
is an excellent video. Can you hear me? Yeah, and I think you were breaking up on that.
Yeah, reading that again. You know what I think it is, is my push to talk button not working. So,
what it turns out to be is a piece of cushions video from a British paté. And if you don't know
who he is famous English actor, very well known for being, um, uh, for the Star Wars, uh, general
and Star Wars, the original ones. And hunting, hunting vampires at various points in this conversation.
I think I remember him from the horror. Yeah. Thank you, sin Dracula. Was it even in a version of Dracula?
So, definitely remember him knocking stakes into, uh, into some vampire or other. Yeah, he was, uh,
part of that, um, hammer, uh, horror. Oh, yes, of course. Yes.
Cool. People don't talk like that anymore. Hello, I was brought up in. Not very long after that
era and did for a while. Yeah, he has said, I do my prep now, but it's great to hear. And
apparently you enjoy playing soldiers, etc. Except for him. Now, sorry, I got just
diverted there myself, reading the Wikipedia article. The following day, we had, yesterday I saw a
solar flare on the counter the first time. Mike now that you saw a solar flare with his own eyes.
And now he is legally blind. No, he didn't watch it with his own eyes. He watched it through
the proper equipment thus sparing his eyes. Yeah, really, uh, found this, uh, I really found this
an interesting episode. It's, it's pretty cool to just think you couldn't sort of see them.
Like, I mean, I know you, you know, there's ways to detect them. I just didn't, I just hadn't
really thought about the fact that you could, you know, properly protected, look at it, you know,
with your own eyes. Yes. And, and the fact that very few astronomy people actually do that was also
quite interesting. Looking at his show notes, I especially liked picture at the bottom where the
sun is well-looking, very special. Yeah. Yeah, it looks like a pizza sort of melting or something.
Yeah, it doesn't. Yeah, nice. Nice idea. So the next day we had a new news, some guy in the internet
talks about the Toyota's data leak and more in the all-know news. And Kevin O'Brien says, this is a great
series. I do love the all-know news. Please keep it up. More about that leisure. And the following
day, we had GWP, uh, with my life, my life in devices, where he talks about various devices
and my purchase and there's no content, but it was, it could be show, I don't know. I am
not seeing the transcript for this, David. Oh, cause was that the one that I missed? I don't remember
to be honest with you. I've done a new laptop during this period and, uh, they, uh,
on all I upgraded Fedora and it broke whisper, which is the tool we used to do the transcripts.
So perhaps that's it. Any comments on this episode or shall I move on? So I was just making a note
of that, uh, show to go and look at it. See what went wrong. Yeah, it's, it's good. He's got
GWP has all sorts of weird and wonderful machines. It's always good to hear about that. I think
I think he meant it to say my living devices. Do you think? Yeah, good thing when the things he's
lived with. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So civilisation, too. This was a show by Huka about the strategy
game, civilisation. And to be honest, I don't play computer games or games in general.
And both fist, fist was quite cool to follow along with this. So yeah, nice. Yeah, Huka,
Huka mentioned something that I thought about it. He said back in the days, he could look at
the clock and it was for a clock in the morning or something like that. And this is one of the
reason why I wouldn't play or even start with such a strategy games. Yeah, good point. Yeah, exactly.
So the next thing is how to find things at your home network, how to find a lost Raspberry Pi
zero on your home network. Again, by JWP, it's an app called network analyzer on his Huawei phone.
It would never come into my mind to search it via the mobile phone. I thought it was quite special
on his approach. My go-to would be an arc, look up, ping everything and then do an arc, look
up from. I would go to my router and see what is connected. True, true, that's not what you're doing.
I think I used to like using, would it be net count or something, or you can, yeah, you can
quiz that for all devices it can, it can see, which is, yeah, but yeah, it's just because I've got an
alias to it, my heartly of the users who I can't remember. I was doing a show previously on
locating Raspberry Pi's on your network. And while the easiest thing is to go into your router
on a podcast, it's difficult because every router is going to be different. So doing the ping
look up kind of makes more sense because it's generic and not anybody can do it. It's in map
that I couldn't remember there. And in map, yes, on on the whole subnet is what I got configured
in my alias. So the following day, Archer 72 did a response episode to my episode and goes over
a lot of plugins. And one I particularly dislike is the I don't care about cookies,
cause for the rest. You should very much care about cookies and turn them off manually.
It sends a message back to the website's not to track you. One of you guys mentioned that I still
don't care about cookies, which sounds almost similar, but because of us, the virus,
Antivirus, Manufacturer, which had some bad reputation in the past that took over that
dead software. Interesting. I don't like this the one I had to be. I know people love dark mode
and I like it for some things, but I don't know if it's what it is, but I like my light mode.
Yeah, so I'm struggling with dark mode. I've got dark mode and a fair number of things,
but I find that terminals with it and then you start up them and the contrast between the
different syntax colors and stuff is too, I just can't read them sometimes. I've got to be really
careful about that. It's an aged thing or an I thing. I'm not sure I would go for dark mode and
everything that's basically what I'm saying. I was trying not to mention the age thing too.
I've thought about myself. Yes. It's a days as me how fashions go so quickly through IT,
you know, everybody all of a sudden, all of the applications have to have a dark mode.
Yes, and invisible scrollie bars for some reason has become
I think. And yes, if you want people to change so you can change the format of the days function
in your application. No, no, no, we can't do that. That's what we can do, but we can spend all this
time changing dark modes and messing around with you guys. It's just amazing.
Yeah, yeah. I spend lots of my time struggling with these things. Being a KDE user, I'm constantly
tweaking stuff. Why is this, why is this window not got a title by others different color from
the rest of it? Because when they're overlay, they're really hard to see. So I just been trying to
make sure I've got that enable properly those sorts of things. Not saying that there shouldn't be
dark modes. I'm just saying it amazes me how popular all of a sudden it wasn't popular and then
everybody has it on everything. Even in work like wiki pages and work suddenly. Although we've
got a dark mode, don't want it. Thank you. I'm gonna say goodbye. Just the other day,
I followed up on on your add-ons for for the copy stuff and you used the rations changes.
And what was interesting to me on the one from now, I don't have to name, from Marcher 72,
is I use something for YouTube already, but the extensions or the add-ons, he mentions for YouTube,
or quite interesting. I wasn't aware about those that you could even mention when some
advertisement is inside that is spoken where they can share it. This was a really interesting
idea from the one who developed it. Yeah, I didn't follow that one up yet, but it sounded amazing.
It could use for AI. I'm speaking of AI. The episode we spoke about previously
about Mr. X and ChatGPD. This is the article that HPR that he produced using that.
So that was also interesting, actually. Yeah, I actually enjoyed listening. I mean it was, it was
I thought it was a pretty good episode. Yeah, and I enjoyed this one. Yeah, I think I seemed to have
spent most of my time puzzled over how an earthy managed to get it to do what he did right
and listened to the content. Now I come to see it's quite a large set of show notes here, but very,
very good. So the following day we had the New Year show part 8 and there were no comments about that.
And the day after that, we had when did the internet get so boring? So some thoughts about
the modern web as part of the information on the ground. And it's about, yeah,
chat to talks about the stages of the web. And Hammer on has a good comment there.
So do you want to volunteer to read it or shall I? I can read it. Go first.
I grab coffee at the meat house. From Hammer on, why did the internet get so boring?
Glad to. I found this episode to be very relatable to me. I missed the vast quantities of those
independent websites such as geosities that you mentioned. I almost forgot about how poor,
how poor coded they were. I'd sometimes see text ever written with graphics on top or other text.
It's hard for me to complain on that issue as my own personal website might not be written much
better, but it's mine and I'm learning as I go along. There's small sites, though, far less common
than days gone by, had a vibe that is far from the mostly corporate base sites today.
It was nice when you'd see a description of what people were doing from their point of view.
A recipe from a grandmother, a hike along a favorite trail, a little known, but much
loved music group, games, stories, poems. Many graced with gifts such as dancing flames on a torch,
dancing animals, or fantasy castles and dragons perhaps copied from elsewhere. Many had background
music from MIDI files with their electronic tones. As you stated about modern sites,
tended to talk and not listen a lot. I totally agree. A problem that I encounter is when doing a
web search looking for information, the sites often are not a good match for my search terms and more.
Few of the sites offer quality information, most instead being geared for sales,
hear them talk. It's like entering a library to find that it is not a library but a department store.
Something I've recently noticed is that if I look for a particular website, say, let's say,
comparing Linux districts, I can go several websites and a few of the sites will have identical
descriptions, word for word. It's a shame to visit site after site to find information not similar,
but a bad identical. Well, thank you for good the podcast, glad to and thanks to HPR, hammer on.
For the hammer on. The thing he missed was the under construction
icons gifts. Remember the eye? Yeah, they were nice. Regardless of what stage your website was,
it had the under construction and the gift on it. As one of you ever given the goal to
disqual for? I have worked to the university where we implemented it. In fact, I implemented it
for as a sort of campus-based information system and it was on the internet but it was really
for the campus rather than anything else. Yeah, it was, it was good but we were happy to move away from
it once web browsers and web service started to rise. I never was on this server side and I
think really the first time I used to go for was like in a web browser because I think like the
early like net scape and whichever previous ones like the that mostly have, yeah, that's it,
as they had they built go for in to it. So you could and FTP and all the good fun stuff. So you
could it was sort of a multipurpose tool back then. There's been an effort to do something along
the lines of go for a protocol called Gemini which I've been considering now once we're on the
static site that we can also generate Gemini pages and it shouldn't be too difficult.
But yeah, if you want to see some old school into their pages just look up some hand-read
your stuff and you're immediately go back to websites designed in 1990. Still been maintained but
they look and feel are still there, you know, yep, there's a hand-read your website.
But that was a good show. That show had been thinking actually, I've been thinking a lot. Introducing
myself. This is by Roni Kuhi. Andre Yanish. Yeah, that'll do.
Also, at least his name is the Rayunoki is, yeah, I would say Rayunoki. He does actually say it
in the show, but I forgot to go back and listen and learn it from there. But my next time we'll know.
You know, for every host, I have a wildfile where they introduce themselves and I save that.
That was something else for the static site in the direct, in the host directly, you know,
horse name or something like that. That would be nice. Yes, well, good idea.
What I thought was funny with him is, I had once a mouse when you especially a lot
you take, I think, is when you click the button, you get this double hammering. It's like when
when it's getting old and all you would have to do is clean the context a little bit. So the mouse
is basically broken because it drives you mad when it does a double click if you don't want to.
And now he says, he has broken computers, so to say your computers, he no longer needs.
So, so what does I am hinted you to take those things apart if you were, don't use it anyway,
why not just go for it and learn? You've already broken, I can't be more broken.
Right, isn't it? There was so much in this episode. I totally agree with you by the way, Rata.
There was so much in the episode, I'm looking at FirefoxOS, there's a show, F-trudge,
there's a show, old stuff and fairfong, there's a show's. I could talk about mathematics.
Well, now as it so happens, we have a mathematics series here in HPR Plus. I have
some mathematical stuff that I need for the H, for the hand radio exam course,
that I would appreciate people's help from the mathematics community to explain that stuff.
So, get in touch with me about that, please.
Let me see any other shows. Think about, yes, reviews, breakdowns, upgrades, hate to people in laptops,
farad, all machines from the dossier. We have a dossier here in HPR.
So, I'm expecting big things here.
Welcome to the fold.
Exactly.
Who's got to do art here? I've done one for a while, I can do art here 72.
Who says show ideas. First of all, welcome to hear. It was a good introductory show.
You mentioned four topics that would be interesting to a lot of listeners.
Web development and coding, mathematics, music theory, electronics pertaining to computer repair.
On music theory, I would also like to hear more. As a child of 12 years, I did play the piano,
but didn't go far with it. Without I can still play a few notes.
With electronics, less of my experiences in computer repair,
or this is preparing electronics in a factory setting, although knowledge here is not what it could be.
Maybe not you, but another host might like to do one or an Arduino. Again,
limited experience here, but this would be an interesting avenue to explore.
Just 72. I think we need to put art to 72 and some guy on the internet into our
host, host, something team. What will we call those? A publicity department.
I second that move. Absolutely. Yes, yes. I would try to think what the word would be
back out. Yeah, especially in the whole context of the genre of the process.
Customer relations. Absolutely. There's some horror like that.
There's a little perception of, yes.
All in day, genuinely it was our role, and did installing leap 15.1.
I think that's the role in release of Open Susan.
On a fugitive, as in 1910, it's very, very interesting.
Would not thought to run Docker on that, but why not, actually?
Yeah, as I said before, JWP has some weird and wonderful equipment.
He has mentioned this device before, but yeah, I think I've probably seen one in my,
certainly had a bunch of these in my work in the earlier days, but I wouldn't
consider every using these days. Good for him. Yeah, cool. Excellent. Excellent.
Are we haching the end today?
3868 is the last one. 3868 is the news reports and recent, as some guy in the internet again,
reports and recent FBI criminal reports and other news. If you like it, help me the image.
So that was that, and there was one comment. JWP says the news show.
Hi, I really like the news show. Easy to follow. Good. I didn't like it so much. I
thought it wasn't in opposite to the security. Oh, no news. He did before. This was, well,
I don't know, maybe it was just be, but it felt quite negative somehow. I don't know how to express that.
Okay. Well, yeah, I suppose it's difficult to to pick and use, yeah, it's difficult to pick
and use in general, hopping use as well, might be hard to find. I think that was the sort of
the sentiment for me, too. I guess I have enough sort of news, news feeds in my feed reader,
that for me, this was like, I sort of come to a hacker public radio, not to sort of hit the sort
of more general news in a way. I mean, he does it well. I do, and I appreciate how much God
he's really putting it effort into, well, everything he does, obviously, but just improving his podcasting
and then providing, you know, really dedicated to the community, but this for me just doesn't
quite hit it yet. Now, maybe it's just one episode and he hasn't found the stride yet for it.
But I definitely lean more towards the owner news and it's current format than sort of like this
companion news. Yeah, I tend to agree actually on reflection. I just hadn't quite
been as discerning as you guys were with it. I just thought, oh yeah, a bunch of news,
interesting. Thanks for presenting it. But yeah, looking at it now, I think you're right.
Maybe I'm not sure quite what the intention is. So something a little bit more
to make sure, perhaps, might be better. I don't know. Quality wise, I'm totally impressed by his work,
how he does the different voices or this auto, I don't know what it is, but I'm totally impressed,
how he does it and how much time he really is spending his was just the content of it,
didn't fit my, as Ryan already said before. Mm-hmm. Okay, I think that's the end of the
shows, but it was one comment. I think it was left by you, Retro. Would you like to read that out?
It's on the page itself, all of a sudden you're linking the mobile shots. Okay, it's opening.
Um, I did a big red one that Dave tells us never to mention a big red line round.
Oh, okay. Okay. Um, oh, this is one that I left for Macatroniac.
Hi, Macatroniac. Um, having a coup, having Ocus, Ocus on hand, with different voltage sounds good.
Almost like Ken, I don't think soldering destroys the Ocus as long as you have a large soldering
iron. By the way, large means it can keep a lot of heat, so you can really quickly heat something up.
There's a lot of things. Exactly. It goes further. Why not building a do your own spot
welding machine? I watched some videos in the past, like then I put in a link from a YouTube video
how they took from an old microwave, the transformer, I think you say, and or a bit more risky.
You can just take a small car battery, maybe a motorbike, battery will do it as well,
and just use that one. But the battery has no switch. Um, so you should have to be careful.
You seem making a traffic stop. You shouldn't be giving the guy more dangerous stuff to be doing.
We're trying to get him working safer, not more dangerous. Oh, there was, uh, two comments on
previous shows. Um, the D1 mini closed scan to lead by me, and the comment was by me. I need to put
this on Perf board, uh, thanks Dave for having the schematic on RAPI.org for me to find
based on the bash finally. This is how my life works now. Since then, I have one perf board
and found out that my perf board is cheap and crappy. So I need to get more perf board.
And Roland, do you want to do archa 72's last comment, and then we can move on. So, um, on for episode
353H installing the tenacity audio editor by archer editor, archer 72, we have a comment
by archer 72, uh, my memory. These shows are my memory, not only my shares, but a multitude of
other shows. I have recently had to reference this one. I had hoped that tenacity would be in the
fedora 38 repos, but no. Still, tenacity is alive and well, and is currently has implemented a
darkening, which I definitely did not. I'll say newly integrated are the clip handles to move around
audio clips instead of a separate tool. Okay, sorry, so one of the four of us at this day
alive as it sounds. Yeah, yeah, I haven't used tenacity, I've read about it, but
apparently it is still alive and kicking. I was looking to see if it was alive just the other
had a conversation with Mr. X on that subject, and to me it looked like it was dying, because
there's not been, there would be many releases in quite a long time, but I might have misunderstood
what I was reading there, I don't know. If somebody has more information on that, they can always
record a show, the idea that would be good to know, actually. Yeah. Okay, a lot of movement
there on the old milling. One of the first ones was by Operation, and it was about, I won't read
it, because it was about an ericode related to posting show with comments, and we have,
okay, we have this thing where a comments, if you're posting on comments for the last two weeks,
that it only shows three questions, and if you're posting on the future feed or on the
past feed, then there are more questions, and they require a huge fill in additional stuff.
That will be coming standard for a while for reasons which we're going to later.
And Ron, yeah, okay, I'll quickly go through these. Ron said in a message about the
Getty instance migrating to the new server. The IP address is there. So if you run into issues
with your key being giving errors, that's the reason for that. And then policy. So first of all,
by me, first of all, we need more shows as the Q is empty for the next number of weeks.
The number of emergency reserves are also doing, so please finish the shows that you were thinking
of submitting and sending it in. If you don't care, when it's released, put in use as emergency
show in the show notes for now. And that is also still relevant today as we speak. So we're just
keeping the Q sort of filled all the time, and we need more people to contribute. Yes, thank you very
much. Then I'll continue on. I'm concerned about the future of HBO as a project where the
shows are produced by the community. At this rate, we cease to be a bar camp style podcast and
become one where the shows are provided by a rotating team of regulars. Ideally, we would like to
have every show is contributed by a different host, giving a one to one risk here between
show and host. As far, so far, we see here all the four of the submissions are from
hosts who submitted more than one show. So this is a three to one ratio. A hook aside, the majority
of the results of kind-hearted hosts who contribute shows at the last minute to fill a vacant
slot in the Q. This problem, to make this problem more visible, I would like to introduce the
following scheduling guidelines. No host should submit any more than one show in a two week period.
Of course, these are guidelines, et cetera, but it should still allow for a little if it
calls to the submissions who are now masking the underlying issue that we have yet to address,
which is, we need new hosts, but we also need old hosts who have not submitted shows this year
to submit a show. How do we solve this problem? And I realize reading that that is terribly
worded, but I don't know, we will go on and somebody read the next message you did. Can you read
Nigel's response? Yep, yep. So this is Nigel Verity who says hi can. I'm one of the many occasional
contributors who's always and genuinely just about to put a show together. Slapped risk accepted,
we'll do better. We are very fortunate that the prolific hosts generally put out such excellent
well presented shows. Could there perhaps be some mileage in contacting all the top Linux and
more general IT podcasts to put out an invitation for their listeners or even host themselves to contribute?
There are some extremely knowledgeable people amongst those presenters, so it's probably
safe to assume this will be reflected to some extent in their audiences. And this is Beezer,
it's his handle. Excellent idea. And if there are people who can do that for us and go get
interviewed on those shows and explain about HPR is and stuff, if you're actively involved in
another podcasting community, can you please take that upon yourself to do it? Don't just wait
for somebody from HPR, one of the genesis to do it. You're listening to HPR, if you need
some information about what HPR is and stuff, we can supply that to you, but feel free to
get in contact with these people. And if you're most put admin at Hacker Public Radio on the CC,
excellent, excellent. Next one, can you read that retro, Magnale, please?
Andrew Conway, I can at all, I have a show that just needs an edit, so I will do that now.
I really understood from somewhere that more than one show per fortnight was thrown up on.
Don't recall from very exactly, so that guideline is fine by me.
One suggestion for increasing diversity invites someone you know to do a show with you.
I'm sure we all know folk who have interesting things to say, but we're not yet on HPR.
We can then point out the guest how easy it is to record and submit the show. Smiley.
Also, we can spice things up a bit by doing shows with a co-host from among our own ranks.
If there are n hosts, there are many more than n co-hosting pairs. In fact, it is n choose to,
which can be expressed mathematically as I will do a show in greater than two weeks times.
Andrew, Magnale is his abbreviation, I guess, in the HPR.
I think it is interesting, for me, as I live in Switzerland, I don't have so many people who would go ahead
and say, let's do a chat in English. Maybe more appropriate for one of the new persons
that for the hosts in the UK or the US, or it's easier to find someone than on the other hand,
where can these hosts find each other from this community when he says to find the co-hosts
who is already doing something on HPR. Where is the best place for that?
Well, I can think of two people straight off who we are Benny, who lives in Switzerland.
And we also have, although it's never done a show actually, on together with you, he did that.
Nope, I need it. That's correct here. From the podcast, what's his name? French guy from
French speaking guy from Switzerland. So, Yannick. Yannick, Yannick, Yannick, Yannick, Yannick, Yannick.
So, you may have Yannick and tell him to do a show. That will be excellent.
Okay, you catch me. Can you do tattoos one please?
Rolled. Okay, from Clotoo, I agree with Minix. Fewer rules make for easier
compliance for the content creator. If we want to maximize incoming content, we should take
what we can when we can, whenever the content provider wants. It means we have a week of just one
host on a recording spree. That's okay. People control their own playlist. They can mix it up as they
prefer. If we want to reserve the right move episodes around as we see fit, then let's stop
asking people to reserve episode numbers and just say that the content gets scheduled as
the schedule sees fit. We get to make the rules. If people don't like how we
operate, then they don't have to submit shows. There are lots of places to post stuff on the internet.
We're just one place. Let's make it easy for people to create content for HDR.
And easy for HDR to publish daily, which is it's data goal. We skipped over the one that
Minix has said, if the survival of HDR does pen solely on new hosts, then you might as well
fold the show. If the survival of the show depends on getting show period with a smattering of new
hosts through in through the year, then that's good. If we were me, I would encourage everyone
holding new hosts to send in lots of shows. If you want the Q2BMT, just to prove that HDR needs
new hosts, I bet that's easily accomplished. But I don't see that changing the nature of reality,
I.e. what it is. So, my reply to that was, well, if you're a pencil and new hosts,
yeah, that was the notification back in 2010. And well, it's hard. We managed not to miss a day
sense, although survival of the show depends on getting you an old host. Yes, that's a realistic
situation. It's an excellent idea encouraging older shows to contribute.
You may want to consider sending them reminders on their own verseries, such as five years since
the last show. If you want the Q2BMT, just to prove that HDR needs new hosts, I bet it's
easily accomplished. In response to that, I said, well, it's a difference between some guy in the
internet and the difference is, between some guy in the internet and the artist, 72,
seem to be on the recording spree. And oh, that's another emergency show. We need to send them
show some shows. So, it's the same reality, but different effects. The two vehicles intended to make
the Q management easier as it will tackle the feast and famine of submissions. Calls for show
work, but there's a problem with it. First, it only reaches a tiny fraction of the community here
and on the mailing list, which is probably the same people anyway. This is on the matrix, but
by filling it in the free slot in the emergency reserve show, we automatically announced
the entire community that there's a free shot slot not being filled. And that we just need to
also, we need another emergency show to replace that one. Secondly, the call for show is
resulting people going to the site to see what the situation is now. And if one's show hosts fills
all the slots with a series they've been working on, then the next person will see a fill queue
and not bother submitting the queue. It's submitting the show. Unfortunately, that happens
on more than one occasion. The two week rule will spread out slots and make the queue management
a lot easier. So, that was the minics one that they posted and my reply to it and then
plateau replied to them. And then I replied to plateau, which I will read. Okay,
we still need more shows from people who have mull posted this year. Okay, what appears to be a
recording spree is in fact people rushing to push shows, rushing to pull something to the queue
to urgently fill a vacant slot. This is undesirable for many reasons. Chasing the queue leads to
burnout. The stress of monitoring and filling up coming slots eats into one's personal time.
And what's supposed to be a hobby becomes a chore. I just want to stop right there.
Dave, when you came aboard, you were doing this. When I came aboard, I was doing this.
Mr. X was doing it for a while. And what I said, and other people down to the age is
having been doing this. Watching the queue every day and then popping in chills to fill it up,
what happens is those people get burnt out and leave the project. So, it's important that
I would like to stress that responsibility for filling this queue does not fall onto the same
people. And I'm calling out some guy in the internet and archer 72 here. These two guys have been
adding shows into the queue to fill vacant slots. And I've been following their discussions on
the matrix panel. And I love the shows. And I don't want them to stop submitting chills. So,
that's why I want the stops submitting shows. But only when the queue is not full. It's not
their responsibility. If you submit one chill a year, you've done your responsibility. You don't
your bit for HPR. And I really appreciate it that they continue to submit chills. But I don't want to
them too guys to burn out. And then I have nobody to go to when I really do need chills.
I hope people understand that. I didn't make it here in my original email. But I'm here back
to what I was saying in the email. And this is about filling vacant slots. We've already had
comments about the quality of shows suffering as a result. Human nature results and people not posting
a show when there are no free slots in the coming month versus when there are slots available.
So, despite both queues containing the same number of shows, we received less shows. Okay. And
other reason, people stop listening to HPR because the feed is full of the one person that they just
happened to not like. And the last most important one to me is HPR is community podcasts. That
means more people need to contribute. It should not be down to the few to keep the project going.
And this is to just go into tattoos come into about moving chills around. Moving chills around
leads to confusion, just satisfaction and complaints. There's why the janitors now always ask
permissions to move chills, which causes the delay in posting all the other shows. Given some
money, as already gone to the effort of recording a show, I personally think it's reasonable to ask
people to scroll down a bit before posting their mech chills. For those who genuinely don't care
when their shows are released, we can add an option to get them to post to the don't care
reserve or emergency queue. So that vacant slots are filled from there. That way the whole
intention is clear from the outset and the janitors know where we stand. We need to at least try this
two week space and think for hosts because I think it will balance out the slow continuous trickle
going out with the bursts of shows that come in. And it will make the actual stage of the queue
more visible. And I think that was about it on that. No, actually those more.
Somebody do Jason Dodds one. See Dave, can you do Jason Dodds and then
Rachel. So Jason Dodds says, my personal thoughts on the topic have turned into me.
Well, this is probably not technically right, not a good thing when discussing amongst hackers
and inspiring hackers. But I think the more rules you put on people who want to contribute shows,
the more you push people off from wanting to contribute. But I do think HP I will get to the
point, either cease or some of those rules or guidelines will have to go. I think as new
hosts become old hosts, they will have a tendency and I still will have a tendency to consider them
and show hosted on HPR. And I like that. I understand that goes against policy and many people do
not like that. My point is that I think it's counter to goal of filling slots. I haven't
caught up on recent email, but I'm half afraid to to fearing that we'll be afraid about how
oh no news has to go. And Rohan, can you do Kevin's first one? Okay, so from Kevin O'Brien,
I'm a strong believer in the value of the life. Actually hold on, that's for the
one. Yeah, you do the second one, please. No, I think it was the right one. No, it wasn't because
it's about the community request input needed by some guy in the internet. So we'll read that
later. Okay, I see. So I went down. Okay, sorry. Sorry, bring forward on my part. I was
not responding to the correct issue here. I followed the guideline of no more than one show
every two weeks for a few years now. And I think it is a good idea. And since the main issue is
that there are not enough shows coming in, it is hard for me to see it as a binding constraint.
If someone has this birth of creativity and records three shows in an afternoon, why is it
bad to tell them to post one every two weeks? I generally record a dozen or more shows over a few
days than upload them in a mass uploading session. Of course, I am retired, so this is a hobby
but I kind of like the two week rule. As it is, I kind of worry that one day I will see messages
on the mailing list saying, when will that guy shut up? But thankfully, that hasn't happened yet,
regards. Excellent. Can did you reply now again? Yeah, I replied to the wrong one as well.
So ignore that. What did the NTs? Oh, I'm essay. Shall I read that?
Yes. So the NTs has, hi. On this, I agree with the majority, that we don't need to change the current
guideline into a hard rule. And it seems like it could accelerate the problem of feeling the queue.
More importantly, I think it would do little to attract more shows by more contributions.
I have fought a lot of things about this. I also have been thinking about what can
say the while ago, which got me thinking about what it seems to be a member of a community project.
I think the process of submitting a show is not very involved, but it does feel quite formal,
which can induce the contributor to feel like they are producing a major work, which can cause delays.
On the other hand, it is important for a contributors first contribution experience to be a positive one.
I think there's probably a wide range of experiences of becoming an HPR host. So there's a wide
range of things people need to help them through that step. For me, I remember, as I stood over a
small pot of porridge, wooden spoon in one hand, phoned in the other. I was really smitten with HPR,
and was very driven to send the show. But I still took a cup, but it still took a couple of
months. We can only imagine how many recorded but unpause the HPR shows are out there.
You could perhaps get another 13 years out of them. Anyway, in the porridge show, I remember that
one by the way, I mentioned some of the shows that captivated me, and ultimately got me to want
and they were by a variety of hosts that don't submit shows at all the time.
I think if HPR would be a show with a small group of rotating hosts, that would be okay.
But it would become much more similar to other shows that I don't listen to.
For me, the key thing with HPR is that you don't know who or what is coming.
Oh gosh, just further. Anyway, I think in the part, we need to understand that HPR's
goal are quite lofty. Actually, and of course, perhaps it will fall at some point.
And it is quite a long run. Also, not always lost when HPR was
fooled, because the archive will live on. With those things in mind, I think it is worth
continuing to aim for an HPR that contains multitudes, many hosts that only contribute sporadically.
We need to accept the risk that comes with that, and agree that they are worth it,
and today, and the day, HPR falls.
Okay, so can you show me spit that up, and you can go turn off that alarm?
There was some review here that in background. Can you continue here?
Somebody else, I can tell. I can take over if you want. Yeah.
So, as for ideas for how to increase listener conversion, and also help fill the queue in another way.
First, rewards for submitting a show. Could we actually offer to send people an HPR sticker
if they are submit the show? Could that be worth doing? Or is it all feasible?
Or could there be some kind of digital thing we could send to people? We would create a bundle
or creative common stuff like a collection of texts about free culture. Yeah, it should be our
contributor handbook, where we would say what we would want to say to all new contributors.
If we had them trapped in a room for hours, how it could be kind of like a catalog. Perhaps
this is something I could apply my developing latex skills to automatically building a
1 million HPDF from the show summaries, et cetera. I'll try to do as a library of stuff.
I'll get in touch with him. Carry on? Yeah. Creating more seamless platforms, this is an
next point, for people to submit shows. I could try to implement that idea of creating an HPR
recording booth in a Matrix channel using Matrix Commander. It could be the HPR confessional
smiley face. Having an excellent having a regular live session on mumble, we can get people
to show up and talk for 24 hours on New Year's Eve. Could it be possible to do it for 30 minutes
a week? We could form a team that rotates staffing that recording session and the focus would
have to be on whoever turns up. That is, if somebody comes to the recording, we start asking
number about them as a tricking them into their how I got into tech show. I also would also do
their best to avoid in name chatter smiley face. Next, consider making a show submission API.
It's our members of the community who would be interested in building a show submission app
that aligns with the goal of getting contributors. I think this has been talked about before
the context of the Linux in-laws asking for it. I think it could be something that eases development
of integrations because if people want to develop an integration, they can do more independently.
Unfortunately, I would have nothing to contribute on this front. Last point reruns once a week
selects a note where the episode from the archive. I read both the old. There's a huge archive
many of us don't know and I have had a great time listening to some old shows, some of the
more venerable among us have mentioned in passing. We could form a small team to select shows.
I think for reposting with people who are interested in randomly listening to old shows to pick
one for the week's rerun is could be called throwback Thursday. I'd be happy to be part of this
team. Thanks for reading D&T. I personally will be opposed to that one.
Customs take up 52 slots. I'm about sharing knowledge. The archive is there for
ever and you can go back and pick those. How if somebody could do a show about shows?
Yeah, absolutely. I'm sort of a meta show. Maybe a, you know, you can call it what throwback
remembrances or something and point them out. Okay, I've completely lost thread where we are now
TNT browning. So we're doing it. Read the one. Yeah, I agree with TNT. You listen to shows like
Ask Noah and they are doing the same. They're not as good editing wise or as funny thing.
I like the shows. Oh, this is, is that, was that the same? I was in that thread but
and this is a free. Yeah. I wasn't quite sure what he's been doing.
Make what he's referencing the last. No, no, it's not one. Yeah.
Maybe the referencing the last point is that what he's dropped. Yeah. I haven't listened to
Ask Noah so I don't know the reference of what you do. There is a, about the simplest
platform thing. I think coming out of this discussion that's more or less is nobody, I think
in the community cares about the queue management as such because she'll just appear
but as admins and people on the matrix town people following the queue for a chase and the queue
is a bit before our very worried about and we get super stressed about there being empty slots.
So I want to take the pressure off that. This is a problem that we've had from day one and continues to be
a problem and the two-week posting thing was an attempt to fix that but I didn't, I don't think I
handle it very well in the original mail but through the process of this at least we know.
Noah, what the community's feelings on it are. Streamlying in the upload process, that's a
very good on that's something I think that we can do. We can put in in the scheduling options so
that you have three options. You pick a slot. You don't care. Are you submitted to the reserve
queue so we can put that as the first option and if somebody says pick a slot then our pick
slot then they're telling us I want my show on this day full stop and we will do that. We will do that
if the slot is free. If not, if they put it into the I don't care schedule or whatever,
we will schedule it according to what we feel is best for the queue and if it goes into the reserve
queue then it goes first in first step. Filling up pick and slots that way. So I'm going in the
internet at arch 72 myself everybody doesn't need to panic about there being a free slot coming up.
We know we have spare ones in the in the hopper ready to go and that that hopefully that just
becomes part of life that we have. I've got their shields coming in and a steady stream going out.
That's all I have to say about by yet. Now moving on to the next top where some guy in the internet
well see that I'll do this out of order because the original request came from me on matrix.
Where I said this issue was posted into the HPR channel on matrix.
Hi some guy in the internet. I love your new show but as a janitor of a few concerns about
carrying them on HPR. The shields represent the problem as they are reporting slash
quoting on someone else's copyrighted work. Therefore it represents a grey area as to if it can
be released onto the great comments or not. We require that you have permission to really just
build your show in and it's entirely that's stuff you need to know permissions.
While some jurisdictions may allow commenting on causing references to other people to work some
may not sort of are opting for certainty. Also we have had experiences with two other
new show series on HPR in the past one by Phoenix which featured out and the other by top geek
to me. That show was syndicated and was moved from HPR following a discussion on the mailing list.
It prompted the rule syndication. At the time there was a question as to the long-term value
of these shows as most of the shows gets half of their audience in the long-tail way after
the show is aired and how well it fits in with the idea of like a moody potter to switch
to very acknowledge. A bit of a change for time so that's just that if you are listening to a new
show that you contact the mail list for our community approval. So who's doing the next one?
Ron, can you do the first one from some guy in the end to the please?
Okay. Hello HPR community. I'm requesting assistance from the HPR community.
The show I produce and upload HPR must be paused until we have the community's input. Nothing too
bad just need more input before continuing. First, I create and release the O'No News on HPR.
It has been brought to my attention that the show's content requires further review and must be
changed to comply with the HPR's community guidelines, including links, gives a link to the
guidelines. Some of the shows contain direct quotes and not all jurisdictions support fair use.
This is a flaw failure on my part and if the show is allowed to continue it must be brought in line
with HPR community guidelines. Secondly, syndication concerns must be addressed.
When I create the HPR news, now O'No News, I did not consider syndication. I had no interest.
Let me be very clear at no point do I plan to seek syndication? I'm not interested. O'No News was
created for the HPR community as a product we can share, enjoy, and participate in without any
limits. It is my way of giving back to the community and that is provided loads of information and
entertainment for me. I'll be releasing a show with more information on the subject soon. Last,
if I must go and let it go, I've enjoyed creating the O'No News but I enjoy HPR more. To show
threatens the community or is it accepted by the community? I have no problem letting go.
The decision has been made and this is a call for all members of the HPR community to weigh in on the matter.
I ask you voice your concerns and or provide any feedback at your earliest convenience. Thanks.
Scotty, some guy on the internet. Do you want to do
likes? Yep, Mike Ray. Mike says, personally I don't like anything that appears on HPR with anything
other than HPR branding. Any recurring cast which seeks its own identity stroke,
label stroke title is in my humble opinion, a parasite. Why not just produce the same content without
the extra layer of branding? Okay, and I replied to this going, the issue about
syndication does not apply to you. I was pointing out other issues with the news show that
arose during the discussion. Sorry for an dismissal understanding. I kind of copy and paste
discussions here for the Matrix channel without individually, so I've asked the Matrix channel to
discuss it here. They met a point on the Matrix channel that the media media quote on free articles,
but in their case they use their own copy to refer to factual events where the news show
here are copying the site content for a while. I mean, that's the reason why I'm pleased that
news story should be paid for and I reference Google because he article where Google is to pay
route where Murdoch for news and Google has to pay Facebook, EU revenue and Microsoft believes
the tech giants should pay for news. So somebody read DNT's one. I can do it.
And there's anybody else wants to sit back and do it, Dave. Okay. So for DNT. Hi, on this, I agree
with the majority that we don't need. Wait, do I just click on that one? I know this matter is mostly
settled from the 29th. Okay. I see it now. Sorry. Hi, I know this matter is mostly settled,
but this is a topic I have a lot of interest in, so if everyone already knows all this,
I thank you for the opportunity to articulate it for myself and sorry if I'm a little verbose.
The way to go would to be have reporting on the facts that you have learned from other sources,
rather than reading the other sources. Since you're not a journalist, you wouldn't even have to
fact check them. If the article includes quotes, you could read some quotes, but you'd have to
avoid quoting the article itself. Essentially, the owner news can't be a substitute for reading
these particular articles and the sense that listening to you read them and the owner news show
does not does the same thing as reading the articles myself. It can serve as a substitute for learning
about the same facts, but if I wanted to read them in that publication, I would so have to go and
read it. There are many newsletters nowadays to cover a variety of things by basically paraphrasing
other publications to propagate the facts. Also, pretty much any time there's a big investigative
news story, one publication breaks it and others reported based on what they learned from that
first publication. After some fact checking, perhaps. In some cases, I think you could quote the
other publication, especially if it is an opinion or analysis piece, because that can be said
be a newsworthy fact. However, again, your piece can't be a viable replacement for the piece you're
quoting, so you'd have to also tell us that while you're quoting what Krebs wrote by adding
your own analysis or perspective. It can't be just just because it was good. For example, you
could report on a certain breach in your own words based on what you've learned from another article
and then you could quote something that Brian Krebs wrote on his blog about it.
If there's some reason what he said in the fact that he said it is itself worthy of reporting on
rather than reporting on the fact via his words. Again, I think the essential thing
is that you can't make the ONO news into a replacement for reading the articles you read on the show.
Therefore, since the articles you read are usually reporting on facts, it should be perfectly
feasible to continue doing the ONO news show by just sticking with the facts and saying them in your
own words and just linking your two sources in your share notes or giving them a shout out.
My understanding of this is based on reading about the U.S. Fair use doctrine, which I know
doesn't necessarily have analogous everywhere, but I do think it reflects pretty universal
understanding of authors' rights and sometimes I think U.S. were just the only country in the world
that need to codify fair use, being the world's most religious society. Nevertheless, I welcome
any corrections to whatever it above, D&T. Retro, can you read the one that's linked in the
chat, please? In the chat, hold on. Hi Scotty, the news is okay, and when I think about it,
I think about something like this to watch. This is what is going on in the Linux world. This is
this also works for larping or rockets, just not something medical or political,
much positive thoughts to you, JVP, JWP. And Dave, can you read that one?
I'm having a ride. Yeah, just a second. Somebody's put some message in the way.
Me, I'm not on a fingers, a whole buttons and doing it. Anyway, yeah, this one, I'm still not in the right place
and we would never have known Dave if you had the first push to talk.
But it's entertaining, watching some guy fall in about and looking at it. So this one is from Scotty
and his guys as young lion. I've made some progress in changing the show format to correct the
copyright issues, quoting articles. It's not much work to correct this issue, but I'm also
contacted some of the sources I draw on youth from for more information concerning their
licenses. I've received emails from the FBI and DEA about their publications. I'm told these
releases are considered public information, but one may not use any of the images, agency loans
or claim to be affiliated with those agencies without written permission. I'm allergic to
prisons so I'll make no such claims. I'm researching other news shows and polishing my craft.
Thank you for the Shannon Morse as a link. Link I will review this. The show does not have
major issues that would cause it to end, but I wanted the community to make that decision. So far,
I've seen positive mentions of the show. This process is healthy. It's more engagement with the
community and a show. Oh no news, we'll benefit from it as well. I would like to hear more from
Mike Ray, perhaps do a show with him on the subject of recurring cast and show labels slash identity.
Thank you for your time, Scotty. See what he did there? See what he did there?
He's smart guy.
And he also says we could rule and do posts with the title if you are weird, I would resist.
The show will wash overhead if you are called like a tsunami. And I think that's is for those.
The community news comments and was the only other thing in the news section rolling down
the events calendar. Do you want to talk about the server move guys?
No, no, this is your baby.
So we are moving servers. Josh needs to need to do some changes to his infrastructure,
which is bringing us along. So we found this to be a highly motivating factor in getting
this switch to the static site. In a working order, at least a working order and good enough to
let us go. Yes. So that will be happening. For some reason I had the 15th of June
stuck in my head, but it sounds like it may be a little sooner than that. We are frankly behind the scenes,
pushing brooms, mopping floors. Talk to is a vault. Yes, lots of duct tape here and there.
A little electrical tape at places, perhaps. Getting things all the all our bits and
bobs and infrastructure moved over to new servers. We're going like said, we're hoping to go to
this. Well, I guess we're not hoping we are going to the hosting the website on the static site.
We're looking to upgrade to the latest version of mailman. So there may be a little bit of disruption
with that. I'm hoping not that there won't be any. We will make sure we don't lose any of the old
archives. It just may be a slightly different place to finding them if you've had things bookmarked
or if you're googling. But generally speaking, that shouldn't miss you. So by this this time,
I guess the next community that we're having will be having a little bit of a post-mortem on
where we are and how things are going. And I guess if things go well, hopefully the mailing,
well, I guess we definitely need to mailing this since that's where people hopefully be complaining
about things. I guess there is matrix in places, but please mostly try, try keeping general comments
and the mailing for our archives just because it's easier for us to keep track of and comment on
during the community news. I know Ken is working furiously and they can get great progress.
I have for some reason decided to volunteer with the mail server. I'm not regretting, but
there's always a lot more to things than you think about when you first starting, like when you
first start. It was nice to hear that out of this. I can go around to you. Yes, yes,
I'm sure they will. I can't think of anything else, can you can take of or Dave that I'm missing
at this point? No, just keep an eye out, bear with us because it's a novel out of work and
we have in the huge amount of spare time. So bear with us as we do this, try and contact us
if you notice stuff and going forward, we will be probably tracking everything on as a
GitHub or a GitHub T issue. So you'll be able to just log your issues there so don't be
to be annoyed if we ask you to do that because then it's on the list for sure for sure.
And that is running now. So actually, you know, you're finding things even now, but particularly
like later in the month, please, if it's a website issue, or even I guess we might need to come up
with a general repository or something for other things just to track issues easier. But for now,
even if there's something and you just go to the site generator repo, you can put an issue and just
talk about whatever failings you find. I think it is very exciting at project you're doing here
and I love to hear about it. Just one question about that, I don't know if I missed it or not,
is there how to say a prototype or something like that running on a URL or is it just that you
would have to build it by yourself if to repo? No, no, it's the, yeah, they currently go to
HackerPublicRadio.com. If you really want to see the bleeding edge of the move,
because that is where everything is at the moment and then HackerPublicRadio.org will switch.
So we will talk more about the idea behind this is that anybody can take the static site and
host it on their own site and then we will round up and DNS over to your site as well as the
HPR site. That's the goal and there should be, we're not going to do that straight out the gaze,
but in six months to a year plan to do that. And the reason we have lots of bug fixes to do
between them. Right, and you can actually, to sort of see that effect, you can, if you go to
HPR.corning.us at htbs or I think, and then I think hobbypublicradio.org is a mirror also. So
just sort of see it in effect. Those are the statically generated sites currently.
Can we put that links into the show notes? No, no, let's, let's not do that. It just, we're too busy
moving the site, on the site moves the site and move. Yeah, okay, I cannot, over a stage,
how busy we are with this. It is, any free time we have, we're working on the website. So leave
us be, if there are bugs, making all of them. Yeah, caused by next month, it'll be over and then
you can answer all the questions. All right. Okay, so server move, connecting hold, hold, hold. So
I'm coming up during that whole conversation about the two week thing was, we're trying to fill
the queue and we're trying to fill the queue with new hosts, but what about the old hosts? Why?
We have 400 or more hosts that have come to the trouble of submitting a show. Why have this stopped?
In two cases that we know have passed away. So that's a good reason. But everybody else,
why have this stopped posting shows? I don't want to send out the mass mailing to people because
now is not a good time to do that anyway, but would people be open to the idea
or being contacted maybe on your show anniversary or maybe our cheerleaders
in doing the retro look interview a host from days of your and discuss their shows with them
as a new show itself. So ideas there, we have this pool of people who did at one point get
all there are some submissive show. Why are we not able to get those the more shows from people?
And then, did you talk about, sorry, what? I know now isn't the time for maybe the
janitors, but other people are not saying we do a mass mailing, but maybe I don't know, you know,
I know there's like poles and things in for different matrix and stuff that somebody could
maybe take on themselves. And I think it would be eventually maybe not this month, but
thinking about it next month, doing some kind of like figuring out that, asking that question,
figuring out the best way to ask that question is like, what, you know, have you just moved on, have you
hadn't listened to HBR and, you know, five year, you know, what sort of, what are the barriers
to older host producing a show or? Yeah, and I don't want to mass mail people because that's
very impersonal and people will see it as spam, but a targeted email to, hey, I like to show
about, you know, the scanner-led thing and, you know, I just realized that I needed to
that, I came across your show for some reason, either it's your anniversary or whatever,
you know, any idea why, where you consider doing a show or basically a one-to-one question,
rather than a mass mailing list, it's a lot more likely that you're going to get positive feedback
as opposed to if we send out a mail list, people will, will, I guarantee you this unsubscribe from
the mail list as a result and will not want to be contacted anymore. And don't forget the files that
already lay on your heart drive and the modern podcast player will jump any empty spaces in it or
such, so you don't need to polish them, you could just send it in the podcast player does the rest.
So I was just going to mention that in the last month, we cleaned up, I believe, all of the
Windows 1252 characters, Latin ones, they're also called, from the database and replace them with
UTF8, UD code stuff. So I can't see anything left over, but anybody does spot anything like that,
and characters sent issues, let me know and we'll fix them to. Okay, with that,
shooting some more, for a little bit of exciting episode of Agar,
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